Tomb of Jesus found?

[Gubni]

I'm sure there are some on here that will say it's all fake, but why couldn't it be possible?

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html?dcitc=w99-502-ah-1024

[pplblazerdude]

I heard about this but was very unclear about this. What is everyones thoughts on this?

[Thumpszilla]

Well I guess my feelings about this are the same as about the movie The Davinci Code. God placed his son Jesus here on earth to be a mortal man. Granted he was an extraordinary man who perform many miracles and taught us how to worship God. However he was still put here as a mortal. He may very well have had a wife and a child. Really though I do not see how that is really relative. He was still the son of God and the son of man. We know he died on the cross for our salvation. He died a mortal death so of course there would be mortal remains just as there will be when we christians die. So they would have to bury them somewhere. Maybe after the crusifiction his family moved them to their family crypt. We will never know for sure. What we can rest assured of is he lived on this earth and died for our sins. He gave up his life to give us eternal life. So what does it matter if he was married and had a kid? What does it matter if his remains are found or not? If science says they are his remains groups like the ACLU will jump on board with science that cannot be 100% certain of thier findings and try to discredit the Bible. Satan will use this to its fullest extent to try and stop Christianity. What we as christians need to do is stay focused on our faith and share Gods love with others.

[pulls out fire suit and extinguisher] Ok I'm ready!!

[Bluegill]

Good grief :roll: The fact that people are taking this serious is proof that Satan is still deceiving :!: Even if he was there, it was only for 3 days :wink: :lol:

The Bible does not document much during Jesus's time on earth from the resurrection to ascension - BUT, consider this: When gospels of other disciples were being evaluated for inclusion in the Canon (or New Testament as we know it today), several were excluded - but ALL of them gave the same eyewitness account of the ascension of Jesus.

One question have I - where did they get the DNA sample from Jesus? How do they know it is from his body :?:

To study science searching for the Kingdom of God, rather than studying the Word of God - can result in being left out of the Kingdom of God.

Seek His wisdom through His word :wink:

[Gordon]

Absolutely, Rob, Amen.

All the hype is just that - spin to sell a movie. More money issues.

[TiredIronGRB]

I'm sure there are some on here that will say it's all fake, but why couldn't it be possible?

I hope that all born again believers on here know that this is fake since that believing that Jesus raised from the dead and assended to heaven is a condition of salvation.

[HotRodYJ]

Complete haux, the Bible says they foudn his tomb empty after three days. I believe that truely means EMPTY. Yes he was here on earth as a man, but that's the only thing about Christ that was "normal". He lived the perfect life 100% without sin, the only "man" to ever do so. I believe that includes celebacy therfore he was never married or had children. The Bible even discusses it is better for a man not to marry so that he can focus soloy on God and living a Christian life, however in man's weakness it is better to marry and be with your wife than to sin and sleep around with women whom you are not married too. Jesus Christ was perfect therefore he resisted these "manly desires" and was not married.

[TiredIronGRB]

Exactly Brian, some of the statements above show the dire need for bible study...guys if you don't read and study the word you can and will fall for anything.

[BillM]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SamuraiGuyTN]

I saw that the guy producing or directing the documentry was the guy that did the Titanic. I knew there was a reason I didn't like that movie. :P

Some other guy came on the TV and asked how they know. Jesus supposently was a popular name then...... I dunno. All I can do is Pray that these people will come to their sences. And as far as the DaVinci Code to me its just a movie.

[Want2Wheel]

Don't believe what you hear, but be smart and do your own study. Study The Word Of God. Read your Bible, and All of the answers will be revieled to you. God Is in coltrol. READ.

[Monstero]

The DaVinci Code was truely a great book and movie but it was Fictional, nothing more. And as far as all the other stuff....just read the bible for answers....dont rely on human speculation on it all cause you WILL be misled. The answers are all in "The Book". :wink: :!:

[TiredIronGRB]

Exactly guys, never take my or anyones else's "opinion" study the word.

[pplblazerdude]

Exactly guys, never take my or anyones else's "opinion" study the word. Good way to put it. But the thing I think is someone may know where to find it in the book alot better then you do. Like say your looking for a passage and you dont know where to find it. I think its good to look to fellow brothers for this.

[TiredIronGRB]

Yes, just make sure they are using scripture. Get a study bible with a good concordance so you can find the verse by keywords in it.

[Want2Wheel]

It is goog to ask where to find answers in the Bible, but you need to READ what you are asking about. The answer that they give you may not be right for you. God's Word is growing and never changing.

[HotRodYJ]

I find www.biblegateway.com useful for searching the bible. It also allows you to read different translations and compare. Nothing at all wrong with getting opinions and interpretations from other believers, but as said before once you know where to loook, do go ahead and look and read for yourself.

[Thumpszilla]

The point I was trying to make (but all anyone can see is the reference to the movie) is it doesn't make any difference if he was married or not and it makes no difference whether those are his remains or not. He would be no less our savior. Would it make your salvation any less if any of it were true? That is why I also posted that I was ready for flaming. If you get that defensive when some one who is kinda new in their walk with god posts something like this then I think you must have issues in your own faith that you need to pray about. I have always been taught that we are supposed to help those new in this walk.

Go ahead and flame away again this is what I felt led to post. I think sometimes we all need to take a step away from the keyboard and ask for guidance before we post.

[Country Boy]

I'm sure there are some on here that will say it's all fake, but why couldn't it be possible?

I hope that all born again believers on here know that this is fake since that believing that Jesus raised from the dead and assended to heaven is a condition of salvation.
This equals no remains left, so they can't be Jesus' remains. Raised from the dead is to come back to life.

[HANO]

Interesting read on the tomb finding

Question: "What is the Jesus Family Tomb? Has the lost tomb of Jesus Christ been discovered?"



Answer: In 1980, in Talpiot (a suburb of Jerusalem), Israel, a construction crew unearthed an ancient tomb. Inside the tomb was discovered ten ossuaries (burial bone boxes). Inscribed on these bone boxes were names. The discovery of the ossuaries was not unusual, as thousands of ancient ossuaries have been discovered in ancient tombs in and around Jerusalem. What was somewhat unusual was the names that were inscribed on the ossuaries: Jesus son of Joseph, Maria, Mariamene, Matthew, Judas son of Jesus, and Jose (likely an abbreviation of Joseph). The similarities of these names to the biblical Jesus and His family has led TV director Simcha Jacobovici and movie producer James Cameron to produce ?The Jesus Family Tomb? in both movie and book form. Jacobovici and Cameron are making the claims that the Jesus Family Tomb is indeed the family burial place of Jesus and His family, and that the presence of Jesus? bones disproves His resurrection. Is there any validity to the claims of the Jesus Family Tomb?

First, before we examine the question biblically, it is important to understand that no influential archaeologist has come forward in agreement with the Jesus Family Tomb project. The curator for anthropology and archeology at the Rockefeller Museum in Jerusalem from 1972 to 1997, Joe Zias, states that the project ?makes a mockery of the archaeological profession.? Second, the ossuaries cannot conclusively be dated to the 1st century A.D., although they can likely be dated to that approximate time period. Third, there is evidence that the tomb had been disturbed and vandalized. It cannot be verified what was, or what was not, vandalized or stolen. On an archaeological basis alone, there is serious reason to doubt the authenticity of the Jesus Family Tomb project.

Historically and culturally speaking, there is further reasoning to reject the ideas of the Jesus Family Tomb project. The names ?Jesus, Maria, Matthew, Judas, and Joseph? were all very common names in 1st century Israel. Some cultural historians estimate that as many as 25% of 1st century Jewish women were named Mary (Miriam). The New Testament confirms this by mentioning six different women named Mary, including three who were prominent in Jesus? life (Jesus? mother, Mary Magdalene, and Mary of Bethany). It would not be uncommon for a 1st century Jewish family to have the names Jesus (Yeshua), Mary (Miriam), Joseph, and Judas ? as all were very popular Jewish names (due to their background in the Hebrew Scriptures).

Biblically speaking, there are numerous reasons to reject the idea of the Jesus Family Tomb. First, the New Testament consistently states that Jesus? family was from Nazareth (Matthew 2:13; Luke 2:4,39,51; John 1:45-46). If Jesus? family had a tomb, it would have very likely been in Nazareth. Second, the Bible describes Jesus and his adopted father Joseph as carpenters (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3), likely making them financially poor and of a lower social status. The tomb discovered in Talpiot is the tomb of a wealthy family. Third, the New Testament states that Jesus? body was buried in a tomb that belonged to Joseph of Arimathea, and that there were witnesses as to where Jesus was buried (Matthew 27:57-61; Mark 15:43-47; Luke 23:50-54; John 19:38-42). Without even considering the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, the New Testament account paints an entirely different account of Jesus, His family, and His burial. Even secular historians and archaeologists view the New Testament gospels as the best existing historical record of the life of Jesus of Nazareth.

Now, let?s get to the crux of the matter. The true motivation of the Jesus Family Tomb project is to deny the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The subtitle of the book is given as ?The Discovery, the Investigation, and the Evidence That Could Change History.? Cameron, Jacobovici, and co-author Pellegrino have a clear agenda. They do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, that Jesus was God-incarnate, or that Jesus was resurrected after His crucifixion. The discovery of the ?Jesus Family Tomb? is simply a convenient basis for their argument, due to the similarities of the names on the ossuaries to the names of Jesus and His family. If it could be proven that the ?Jesus Family Tomb? was indeed the tomb of the biblical Jesus of Nazareth and His family, the resurrection would be disproven, thus destroying the very foundation of the Christian faith (see 1 Corinthians chapter 15).

None of the suppositions of the Jesus Family Tomb project can be proven. In fact, the archaeological community is nearly unanimous in condemning the Jesus Family Tomb as a hoax, with no basis in history or archaeology. There is every reason to doubt the claims of the Jesus Family Tomb ? archaeologically, historically, and biblically. The Christian faith has nothing to fear from honest and scientific archaeology

[HANO]

as copied from gotquestions.org

I did not read all the comments so i may be a little behind...but in the news they said they found the graves of Jesus Mary and Joseph...which they very well could have..but i have a friend that has a name spelled jesus and friends with the name mary and friends named joseph...so what iam saying is that these people could be anyone...but i dont think its jesus because in the bible it say he rose from the dead, and it said nothin of bones being left behind :lol:

[TNjeeper97]

I fully believe that this is Satan at work spreading his lies and continuing to mislead and deceive.

[TiredIronGRB]

2 Pet 3:3
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

[Gubni]

Here's some info from that site. It reads as the bible is correct and this is also possibly still his tomb.


Resurrection: It is a matter of Christian faith that Jesus of Nazareth was resurrected from the dead three days after his crucifixion circa 30 C.E. This is a central tenet of Christian theology, repeated in all four Gospels. The Lost Tomb of Jesus does not challenge this belief. In the Gospel of Matthew (28:12) it states that a rumor was circulating in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus? crucifixion. This story holds that Jesus' body was moved by his disciples from the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea, where he was temporarily buried. Ostensibly, his remains were taken to a permanent family tomb. Though Matthew calls this rumor a lie circulated by the high priests, it appears in his Gospel as one of the stories surrounding Jesus? disappearance from the initial tomb where he was buried. Even if Jesus' body was moved from one tomb to another, however, that does not mean that he could not have been resurrected from the second tomb. Belief in the resurrection is based not on which tomb he was buried in, but on alleged sightings of Jesus that occurred after his burial and documented in the Gospels.

Ascension: It is also a matter of Christian faith that after his resurrection, Jesus ascended to heaven. Some Christians believe that this was a spiritual ascension, i.e., his mortal remains were left behind. Other Christians believe that he ascended with his body to heaven. If Jesus? mortal remains have been found, this would contradict the idea of a physical ascension but not the idea of a spiritual ascension. The latter is consistent with Christian theology.

[HANO]

The high priests were simply looking for ANY excuse or reason to doubt Christ's resurrection. If Matthew, with whom we have trusted by believing in his version of the Gospel, states the story as being a rumor, shouldn't we also stand by his statement as fact? For whom are we to believe, a man we know loves Christ, or the words of the wicked? For then as much as now, non-believers will take even the thinnest excuse for not believing and will cling to any lie they can find that finds fault with the Word of God (or in their case, straight from the Son).

Without Christ's resurrection, we lose everything.

[HANO]

Matthew 28
The Resurrection
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

5The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."

8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."

The Guards' Report
11While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13telling them, "You are to say, 'His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.' 14If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble." 15So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

[HANO]

Answers my questions completely.

I believe He was resurrected fully...... body and spirit, and will accept nothing other than what is stated in the Word of God.

Men are liars...... the only truth we can cling to in today's world is the Word. To disregard it, to twist it, to add to it, is to lose it... you have just a book if so, not the inspired Word of God...


JR

[Gubni]

Ok, that's cool. Just please know I'm not trying to stir up a problem, but rather learn from this. Thanks for all the info guys.

[HANO]

Never be sorry for asking. But what is your opinion? How does the Word, as you read it, reveal the answer to your question?

[Gubni]

Never be sorry for asking. But what is your opinion? How does the Word, as you read it, reveal the answer to your question?

I've been fussed at by the mods for stirring up problems, and I'm trying to be less confrontational. To me debate is the best way to learn.

I think the tomb that was found was simply a family that had the same first names.

I believe he ascended body and soul.

[crackerjack]

I believe....

The truth doesn't change but schemers devise deceptions to cause the children of God to fall away and that brings a smile to the face of the evil one.