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Bluegill
01-21-2007, 03:03 AM
:drum roll:
After much ado, my rock lights are finally finished - for now, that is :twisted:

For those who aren't familiar with my TJ, check it out here:
http://www.4x4grace.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6045

Now - the rock lights. For Christmas my in-laws gave me a wonderful item from my wish list :wink: These 5-LED pods from www.plasmaled.com
http://www.plasmaled.com/images/pod5.jpg

I wanted to mount them in a protected location but in a way that would also allow ample lighting between the front & rear tires. Thanks to these pod's small size (2" wide, 3/4" tall, 5/16" thick) they fit nicely inside the body mounts to protect them from slamming into an obstacle. I did not want to drill any holes to mount them, so I used a couple different mil-spec adhesives to do the job. In order to achieve a straight line appearance of where the beams hit the ground, I had to make a few brackets: one with only a slight angle for the rear, and about 30 degree angle for the front. To secure the brackets to the frame, a mil-spec aircraft epoxy was used. To secure the LED pods to the brackets a different adhesive was used - this one being a combination of caulk & adhesive properties in order to provide a slight cushion (against vibration) for the pods. The brackets were made from 1/2" x 3/4" x .070" aluminum angle and were ground to the appropriate angles. Here's a pic of the pass side front pod installed (you'll also notice the wire loom above the frame coming down from the firewall):
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/shepherdskeep/Rudy/rock%20lights/HPIM0797.jpg

Next item was the wiring. For power I chose to tap my CB radio lead (hooked straight to the battery) after the fuse. Drilling a small hole in the firewall was also necessary (grommet on the new hole). The driver side wiring was nice & easy; the steel fuel lines provide a nice anchor to secure the wire loom to. The passenger side was not that easy. First, the exhaust runs along that side and only a couple inches away from the frame. Second, there was nothing to properly secure the wire loom to. So, I used a long drill bit to transfer the ouside frame holes all the way thru the inside wall of the boxed frame. After deburring the new holes, this allowed the use of high-temp cable ties. Here is a pic of the passenger side loom running along top of the frame:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/shepherdskeep/Rudy/rock%20lights/HPIM0798.jpg

Next up was the switch & location. I wanted a fairly small switch that wouldn't be too easy to flip, asthetically blends with the interior, that would provide a visual indicator that the circuit is energized, and would mount inconspicously. And so a 20amp thumb style round rocker with red LED indicator was selected. I chose to mount it just below the instrument panel, and to the right of the steering wheel. It is positioned to allow both driver & front passenger easy viewing of the indicator light, yet high enough not to be accidentally switched on by a inadvertant body part (knee). Here is a pic (pardon the dust & mud on the interior :oops: ):
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/shepherdskeep/Rudy/rock%20lights/HPIM0796.jpg

So, what happens when the switch is flipped? Well, I took more than a dozen pics, but unfortunately our digital camera (like most) doesn't like taking pics of lights in the dark with no flash - most were too blurry to even recognize. However, I did get 2 decent pics (not too blurry). Here it is in my driveway. The first pic is a complete view of the driver side. The second pic is from the drivers front corner looking diagonally.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/shepherdskeep/Rudy/rock%20lights/HPIM0803.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j226/shepherdskeep/Rudy/rock%20lights/HPIM0799.jpg

While they may not be as bright as some LEDs (luxeon), they're a whole lot cheaper (30 bucks gets you 4 of these 5LED pods shipped versus 1 single luxeon LED bulb for the same price) and are brighter than the $15 Wally world special fog lights.
BUT
The best part is I have invested a grand total of $14.67 in these lights 8) That was for 20ft of wire, loom, switch, and some connectors. Why did I want LED? Lets see - hardly any current draw (I tested these prior to installing with a 25ma 12v household converter), won't get hot from continous use, waterproof, the frame will probably rot before the bulbs burn out, and the best part - they're cheap!

Want2Wheel
01-21-2007, 09:11 AM
That is a great setup. I think that they will help out alot.

Dino1967
01-21-2007, 09:37 AM
kool :!:

Gordon
01-21-2007, 10:09 AM
Rob, you did a superb job! They look great.

Monstero
01-21-2007, 10:23 AM
Great lookin job rob.....I have yet to put on mine. I got one installed but am going to re-run stuff and weld some tabs on the sides underneath to get the right angle on mine. I got mine (the 009) from that site as well. They are insanely bright. :shock: But i am going to get two more for right on the very front shining down for the spotter on the front to see approach etc..... LEDs are hands down the way to go instead of Wallyworlds

duke_lover_13
01-21-2007, 10:39 PM
Those look Awesome!! I am definitely gonna try to put some on my new rover!! Im not that good with electric work tho!! I might need a little help!!

zukinut
01-25-2007, 09:01 PM
Thanks for the post man. Jus what ive been needin to do. I personally dont like wheelin at night but it usually happens anyways.

Thanks again
Will

R.E.C.O.N.45
09-14-2007, 05:29 PM
Hey how well have these leds held up. I am thinking of doing a similar set up, but concerned about water proof and how well they take hits and vibration. Thanks

Bluegill
09-14-2007, 10:38 PM
Since the install, these lights have been through: 2 Harlan rides (lotsa rocks), 3 Bays mountain rides, 2 Paint Creek rides (lotsa mud), 2 Horse Creek rides, a Stoney Creek ride, and several runs on private land. Still going strong! :smokin: I'll definitely be doing LED rock lights on the FSJ.

Hadfield4WD
09-15-2007, 10:17 AM
Really like that.

Andy's01
09-15-2007, 08:42 PM
Rob, do those lights put off enough light to see well under your jeep? I currenty have 6 - 55watt lights under mine and they light up the world but man they draw some power and they get hot as fire.

Bluegill
09-16-2007, 07:42 AM
Rob, do those lights put off enough light to see well under your jeep? I currenty have 6 - 55watt lights under mine and they light up the world but man they draw some power and they get hot as fire.

As they as are configured now, no. BUT, with another set of 4 pods ($30) hooked into the existing wiring I know it will be bright enough under the Jeep to see microscopic stuff on the ground. Here's how I would mount them: All four pods mounted with the length of the housing going across the width of the Jeep (driver side to pass side). One at the frame's center grille mount, pointed right in front of the D30. One on the driver side of the transmission, right in front of the skid plate. One one the rear edge of the tranny skid plate, to the driver side of the rear driveshaft. Lastly, one between the gas tank & rear bumper, aimed toward the rear axle. Since your Jeep doesn't have the gas tank hanging down there, you could mount the light inboard on the rear crossmember aiming straight down.

I mounted the 4 pods in their locations because I wanted to be able to stick my head out the door at night & see what my tires were binding on. They're not setup for using a spotter. Our TJ isn't currently built for the extreme stuff, so we usually find the easiest line to wheel - occasionally getting brave though. :twisted: Whenever Julie gets "inchitus" & Rudy "grows up" - then I will mount 4 more pods as mentioned before.

These pods are very bright, and use hardly any power. I intentionally left the lights on for 72hrs straight while it was parked in the garage, to see how they affected the battery. Still has the stock battery, btw. Judging by my multimeter readings, the 4 pods used less than .15 amp/hr 8) Look at the first picture in the post that started this thread. Above the pod (in the middle of the wire sheath) you'll see what looks like a couple of hairs. Those are the actual power wires, the rest of the wiring that comes with each pod is a 2ft long thick black sheathing. The actual power wires were so small (28ga, IIRC) my wire strippers wouldn't work on them, had to use my teeth - but still easy to strip.

R.E.C.O.N.45
09-18-2007, 11:46 AM
That makes me think I might need 6 or 8 of them for my k5. Thanks for the update. They looked pretty well sealed in the pics but I wanted to make sure and ask. Thanks.

XJmudder
09-30-2007, 10:15 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-LED-POD-ALL-PURPOSE-SUPER-BRIGHT-CHROME-MAGIC-LIGHT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33714QQihZ008QQit emZ180129689548QQtcZphoto

Here is a link to these bad boys for only $14.00 not sure if they are the exact same or not or how good they are, just thought I would post.

Bluegill
09-30-2007, 02:45 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-LED-POD-ALL-PURPOSE-SUPER-BRIGHT-CHROME-MAGIC-LIGHT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33714QQihZ008QQit emZ180129689548QQtcZphoto

Here is a link to these bad boys for only $14.00 not sure if they are the exact same or not or how good they are, just thought I would post.

Other than the stated housing dimensions, they look to be identical - but judging by the pictures they are the same dimension, just misprinted their eBay ad. Checked mine with a good old tape measure - 2" long, 3/4" tall, and 5/16" thick.

Thanks for the link, Chase! :grin:

tjrockcrawler
01-11-2008, 02:18 AM
I have decided I "need" some rock lights :)

I was reading over your detailed install post. I like your setup and will probably follow that closely.

I thought about gettting 4 more pods and using them for the front and rear, hoping this will light up in front of the tires and behind the back tires. (hopes this make sense)

I would like to use this type of switch Http://www.12voltguy.com/rgledtogcover.htm and mount it in the ashtray cavity, next to the existing fog ligth cluster.

Do you have any other install or prep tips?

Jeep07
01-11-2008, 02:44 AM
I have decided I "need" some rock lights :)

I was reading over your detailed install post. I like your setup and will probably follow that closely.

I thought about gettting 4 more pods and using them for the front and rear, hoping this will light up in front of the tires and behind the back tires. (hopes this make sense)

I would like to use this type of switch Http://www.12voltguy.com/rgledtogcover.htm and mount it in the ashtray cavity, next to the existing fog ligth cluster.

Do you have any other install or prep tips?

Buy stuff from 12voltguy :) he is an Ftoy sponsor and also makes some really trick stuff. Support USA based small businesses.

Have fun with the rock lights they are cool and much better money spent that some big round lights on your bumper or a roof rack that just blind people on the trail.

Hokie_YJ
01-11-2008, 11:13 AM
X2 I've got the 12voltguy in-cab winch control, it also has two extra built in switches. One is my rock lights, the other is empty but will probably eventually be a fuel pump shut-off.

Bluegill
01-11-2008, 11:21 AM
I like 12voltguy too, bought a few things from him, very well pleased.

Ryan, if I had to do it all over again I would use a switch like this for the nice & clean look:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-TJ-Wrangler-1997-02-Rocker-Switch-lights-Winch-Air_W0QQitemZ280189559222QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6763QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

tjrockcrawler
01-11-2008, 04:09 PM
I can't really tell by the description, but is this item for (1) switch or (1) three switch Panel?

I have functional switches in the location that is pictured. So I am going to place them in the ashtray cavity. Think that would fit properly?

I really like this design for its ?clean and OEM? kind of look. But the toggle and cover switch is SA WEET 

Bluegill
01-11-2008, 11:24 PM
TJ's with factory hardtops come with 2 of the 3 switch locations already used (at least I know '01 models do), rear wiper & defroster. The 3rd switch location is open. That auction is for one switch. 12voltguy's switch cover looks cool, but IMO it's not very ergonomic for mounting in a low location.

tjrockcrawler
01-12-2008, 01:13 PM
I"ll have to install an all new switch then. All (3) of mine are used, LtoR, rear deforst, rear wiper and fog lights.

I"ll tell ya Rob, I have found out that my WHOLE jeep isn't very ergonomic. :)

Bluegill
01-12-2008, 08:06 PM
I"ll have to install an all new switch then. All (3) of mine are used, LtoR, rear wiper, rear deforst and fog lights.

Your fog light switch is down there? Mine is on the turn signal lever, pull out the end & they're on, push it back in & they're off. Even modified the relay so they stay on when the headlights are on bright.

I"ll tell ya Rob, I have found out that my WHOLE jeep isn't very ergonomic. :)

You've obviously never had a CJ or YJ. :wink: My first Jeeps were CJ5's - and while I loved them, the TJ is like a Cadillac in comparison.

tjrockcrawler
01-13-2008, 03:11 PM
Here is a pic

I'll have to improvise the switch placement. I like the location you choose. I would like to have all the AUX. light switches in one location though.

Maybe I could find a switch panel to fit in the ashtray cavity. Any ideas/thoughts?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/rlrhino/0113081403a.jpg

Hokie_YJ
01-13-2008, 03:17 PM
The 12voltguy can custom make anything you want, just call or e-mail him.

Bluegill
01-13-2008, 04:11 PM
They must've changed the fog light switch location in '01. Mine, Bill's, and Andy's 2001s are all on the turn signal switch.

Here's a thought, Ryan - those 2 dash areas (ashtray & cig lighter/switches) are supposed to be modular - so that the Jeep can be made for right hand or left hand drive. Maybe you can find a good used cig lighter/switch cluster on eBay or a salvage yard and mount it where the ashtray currently is. Then you'd have 2 power outlets & 6 switch bays! :idea: Might take a little modification, but if the ashtray will never be used IMO it'd be worth the trouble.

tjrockcrawler
01-13-2008, 04:48 PM
Nope, I'll never use it. Thats what I"ll do then. Thanks guys! 8)

tjrockcrawler
01-22-2008, 11:55 AM
Got them in :grin:

Time to mount, what adhesives did you use?