alright stop, sami time

[hammerhead06]

gonna build it to break it, putting yota axles and power steering to start and see where it goes from there

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000138.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000139.jpg

[BJack]

I think someone should teach you how to strap a vehicle to a trailer before you do anything else :wink:

[hammerhead06]

whats wrong with how it's strapped?

[BJack]

My bad :shock: I thought the excess straps were the straps themselves just dangling :oops:

[hammerhead06]

:lol: :wink:

[bronconut79]

don't forget theo oil ##(

[NC_James]

oil is a must... but hey jason will remember. ;)

[Bluegill]

and uh....no donuts in the grass :wink:
:lol:

[HotRodYJ]

Project number one needs to be a cage. A cage is always a good idea anyway, but given past history with driving style combined with the new really short wheelbase, that thing will be on it's top the first week. You need a cage first thing.

[hammerhead06]

lengthening the wheel base about 14 inches, cage is in the future, remember guys, this isn't my d/d so the only time i'll really be driving it is on a trail, so regardless what gets done first or last, it will all get done before i really start being hard on it :twisted:

[r1ng3l78]

yeah, he'll start out easy. just doin donuts in the back field :P

[HotRodYJ]

Just thinking about your safety. A Trail only rig is typially even more dangerous since you really don't care if it breaks. Safety first!

[Gubni]

If it was mine the wiring and such would be first and the axles would be last.

[TiredIronGRB]

If it was mine the wiring and such would be first and the axles would be last.

Right on... first dependability, then capability :wink:

[BJack]

If it was mine the wiring and such would be first and the axles would be last.

Right on... first dependability, then capability :wink:
eggsactly, Samurai axles are weak but generally don't present a problem until they are locked. And then just the front.

[Dino1967]

If it was mine the wiring and such would be first and the axles would be last.

Right on... first dependability, then capability :wink:
have to agree

[r1ng3l78]

well since i like to breed conflict, i'll argue that capability and reliability can be the same thing. and ugly wiring and faulty wiring are close cousins but not the same. there's your topic, talk amongst yourselves ( :lol: i'm a little peclempt)

[hammerhead06]

well it's settled, will be throwing my yota axles under the sami, along with yota power steering and see where it goes from there

[Gordon]

Bring it on. :smokin: This will be a fun project to watch develop. Lots of pics, too.

[hammerhead06]

will be plenty "o" pictures to come

[RTJ]

Speaking from experience here, I had a Sami and wheeled it a few times without a full cage and wheeled it hard. It took about 2 times of almost rolling it that I added a full cage. My fiance' (now my wife) almost insisted I had a cage since I about dumped us on our lid at Globe (now an illegal trail).

Sami's are not the most stable rig and I too drove with a heavy right foot. You will learn due to the little 1.3 liter engine, it takes a bit of gas to get over obstacles due to the lack of torque. Tcase gears in the range of 4.16:1 low range from calmini or similar should be in your future as they help tremendously. They are relatively cheap compared to others at about $450 when I bought them.

A rear locker too makes a huge difference.

Just respect this thing for a potential roll over and learn how far you can lift a tire before it goes over. I had it down to where I could pull up a tire and teeter and still save it!!!!

Good luck and let me know if you need any help with it. I am somewhat experienced with Sami's!!!

[hammerhead06]

so i did some wheelin and dealin, have a 1.6 litre out of a sidekick coming this weekend, that should put a little pep in it's step

[Spartan081681]

Good idea going with a 1.6, doing the same thing to mine right now. If its a 16v I got an extra harness and computer I could sell ya.

What sire tires are you planning on?

[hammerhead06]

it's carbed, has everything needed except adapter to put it in, running 33's with toyota axles and stock yota 4.10's will eventually be on 35's after transfer case regear, then who knows

[BJack]

They never made a carbed 1.6

[Gubni]

What carb'd motor was available in a sidekick?

[NC_James]

hey what happen to the 44's?

[hammerhead06]

he said it was carbed and came from a sidekick, i assumed it was a 1.6, calmini sells a kit for install for the 1.6 that includes a 7 psi fuel pump, i've never seen a efi that only needs 7psi ? As far as the 44's, found it was more economical to use parts that i have instead of buying more stuff and coming out of pocket on more parts that i already have laying around........maybe someday the sami will see d44's

[Spartan081681]

The 1.6 8v has a carb.

[BJack]

The 8v 1.6 has a Mikuni throttle bottle on it. Looks like a carb but it's not.

[Spartan081681]

So its a single port FI? Odd I remeber reading the 8v was an easier swap cause you don't need the FI stuff, so do they just swap on the carb from the 1.3?

[hammerhead06]

hey spartan, this helped me, might help you out also, check it out

http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/samurai/engineswap.htm

[Spartan081681]

Yeah that clears things up, sorry about the confusion. I think that single port fi is not all that much better than a carb anyways.

[BJack]

So its a single port FI? Odd I remeber reading the 8v was an easier swap cause you don't need the FI stuff, so do they just swap on the carb from the 1.3?
Yes, that's exactly right. It's an easier swap because all the wiring is the same and the intake's a direct bolt in.
When I did mine I swapped the 1.3 carbed intake on the 1.6 and saw almost no difference at all. I was sick. I had a buddy that did the same swap and retained the fuel injection ( I was about 18 and couldn't figure out how to do it at the time ) and his ran alot stronger. It wasn't until a few years later when I put pane on it that you could really feel the power difference.

[BJack]

Yeah that clears things up, sorry about the confusion. I think that single port fi is not all that much better than a carb anyways.
I've people refer to them as Carbujectors :lol:

[RTJ]

The other difference with FI is it will run no matter what angle the Sami is sitting at. Mine with the throttle body injector never even sputtered either when it was off camber or a front tire was 3 feet in the air!

[Bluegill]

The other difference with FI is it will run no matter what angle the Sami is sitting at. Mine with the throttle body injector never even sputtered either when it was off camber or a front tire was 3 feet in the air!

that's the beauty of FI :wink:

[SurferSami]

Consider a diesel swap. I did the 1.6 non-turbo in my sami and it just idles over all kinds of stuff, with bigger tires you would deffinately want the 1.9 turbo motor if you can find one. Check out www.acmeadapters.com. BTW you can get tcase gears all the way down to like 6:1 and diff gears better than 5.13. You will do good to check out www.zuwharrie.com. They have great tech help, and a huge knowledge base. I've been wheeling samis since '96 and I've never rolled mine. I've only done about 4" max of lift though. With lockers f/r these things go just about anywhere. Have fun on the build.[/url]

[SurferSami]

Concerning the fuel injection, the 1.6 8v has a trottle body injection and will run at different angles. It also meters the fuel better so if it is tuned right will give better perf/fuel mileage. The 1.6 16v has more power but tends to like higher rpms. You can get cams from calmini, petroworks and several other places that can make pwr/trq in the 2500 rpm range. The stock 1.3 doesn't max trq until 3800 and max pwr at 5400. These motors like to rev and they are pretty durable. I had two that went over 180000 miles with out rebuilds. That is what motorcycle companies do best, high rev engines.
The throttle body engine only requires low pressure for the injection, but the 16v engine wants more fuel pressure. Let me know when you are ready to wheel and maybe I can work out a trip to meet ya.

[TiredIronGRB]

How about some pics of this thing Jason?

[hammerhead06]

i need to take some, haven't done alot yet but already started the ball rolling, will take some pics in the next couple of days, unless shawn wants to run out and snap a pic :wink: .......hopefully will have yota axles under it next week :twisted:

[BlueRidgeRunner]

Looking forward to watching this build. The 1.6 CFI is a brute. Trail Tough (http://www.trailtough.com) has a wiring harness that will make the CFI swap easier. Give Brent a call.

[hammerhead06]

put a little time into getting things ready for the axle swap next weekend, finished the yota stripping, she's pretty bare bones these days.....
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000305.jpg

sold the thornbirds out from under the sami......
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000299.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000300.jpg

borrowed the wheels from the jeepster (see bumpass post) to roll around the yard and put the new axle up to it to kinda get an idea on the new width, I have thurs friday and saturday off so hopefully she'll have new axles and tires come monday
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000303.jpg

there's some pics George :grin:

[TiredIronGRB]

That will be awesome with the Yota axles under it, and much safer in the rock garden :wink:

[Hilla-GO-Rilla]

Hey MINI ME.....that things gonna be INSANE with the yota axles, You need a cage

:!:

[hammerhead06]

yea i agree, but really though, how safe can it possibly be with me behind the wheel :lol: ........ i took a little road trip and bought a set of cooper discoverers for the sami, have about 200 miles on em, was gonna sell em but man they are some pretty tires, so the sami will be on 35's when its all said and done, i can't wait

[TiredIronGRB]

Put those Boggers I sold Shawn on it :shock:

[hammerhead06]

too big, not wide enough, and need a 16 in rim, i have a few sets of 15in rims and a brand new set of 35's waiting, did look at those tires quite a bit when i was trying to decide which route i was going to take though, i think 35's will be plenty, maybe...............

[hammerhead06]

well ordered my high steer arms today, put a new exhaust on the sami, did a few little chores i've been meaning to do, and disassembled the yota rear end to check everything out before it gets the transplant, hopefully will get to the front end tomorrow. everything moving along. I'm thinking her next trail debut will probably be at the meet and greet :P

[TiredIronGRB]

I have your rock cleaned off for a revenge run :wink:

[hammerhead06]

:twisted: no glass to leave behind this time :twisted:

[hammerhead06]

well made some progress yesterday, still have ALOT to do but shes moving along at a steady pace, here's some pics

well here she is before the teardown, there are much better before pics at the begining of this thread
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000315.jpg

heres a shot down the side of the truck with sami axles
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000321.jpg

and with yota axles
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000328.jpg

close to complete :twisted:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000327.jpg

[Gordon]

That's going to be quite a rig, Jason. Keep 'er coming! :twisted:

[HotRodYJ]

Much better, looking good!

[Derrickalda]

i love it :headbang:

[tennbronco]

Very nice Lets GIT R DONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Derrickalda]

Very nice Lets GIT R DONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

boooo! :banghead:

[Dino1967]

great job cant wait to see in action :smokin:

[TiredIronGRB]

Sweet, what tires are those?

[hammerhead06]

35x12.50 cooper discoverer st's, haven't rolled on em yet but i like em so far, i think the meet and greet will be her first real play time :twisted:

[Hokie_YJ]

Looking great man.

[hammerhead06]

well the brakes are all done , may be taking a new route, will let you guys in on the surprise later

[TiredIronGRB]

may be taking a new route, will let you guys in on the surprise later

460 swap :?:

[Gubni]

First my tires, now my engine? NO!

I will admit I tried to get him to put FJ80 axles under it, but the price was more than he could bear.

[broncowrangler]

well the brakes are all done , may be taking a new route, will let you guys in on the surprise later

I know what it is... and you know what they say, every man has his price :wink: How badly do you want to know? Lol

[zukinut]

Fj 80 axles weigh more and really not neccesary. Youve seen me thrash on mine, It took almost a year of hard wheelin with 5.29s a 5.1 case and a locked front to finally blow a birf. They are so light its hard to get enuf traction to break them

How did u go about putting the frontend under. I can save u lots of trouble with steering issues.

Im hoping u didnt by from RRO. I hate to see anybody get the shaft.

And i get a kick out yall worryin bout the power of the 1.3. I can run 70-75mph on the road turing Q78(35.5x10.50) swampers. I drove it to tellico and averaged 16mpg even. And thats with a bone stock 160,000 mile 1.3

I dont know it all about zuks, so please dont take it that way. Its jus that all ive built in the last 8 years was zuks, so ive learned ALOT of stuff. Most of it the hard way.

Here are some pics of my junk.

Pictures by zukinut - Photobucket

Those are from 05 and 06 tellico.

Here is me on slickrock

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v125/atlzj/?action=view&current=DSCI0130.flv

Anyways, its good to see a zuk on the trail. Jus fix the wiring. We all know that suzuki wiring sucks and its an emabarassment on the trail to see another zuk broke down due to a known problem.

Good luck
Will

[hammerhead06]

would love to see some pics of your steering set-up , thats the next big hurdle, would really help to see another one complete.

[NC_James]

wheres some pics of the sami jason... anything new done?

[zukinut]

Jason,

Check your pms.

[BJack]

would love to see some pics of your steering set-up , thats the next big hurdle, would really help to see another one complete.
Slap some highsteer arms on it and make a drag link. That's what I did when I did the yota axles under my sami.

[hammerhead06]

i ordered some off of marlin crawler but they were on back order so it was decided to go a different direction

[BJack]

order them somewhere else

[hammerhead06]

order them somewhere else

sounds like a great plan but my wallet doesn't agree anymore :lol:

[redplastic2p3t]

order them somewhere else

sounds like a great plan but my wallet doesn't agree anymore :lol:
cant you get your money back from marlin crawler, and order them from trail gear :?:

[hammerhead06]

got my money back, used it already :oops:

[redplastic2p3t]

got my money back, used it already :oops:
easy come easier go :lol:

[hammerhead06]

here's a little teaser
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000370.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000369.jpg

[TiredIronGRB]

I like it :wink:

[zukinut]

I like the buggy thing. Jus cant bring myself to do that to mine yet. Then again, what sheetmetal is left is beat extremely bad. LOL

[hammerhead06]

made good progress today,motor and tranny are in, and did a little paint and prep work also, looking good for the meet and greet

[NC_James]

cant wait to see it bro

[tennbronco]

ok now I think it is deffinately time for me to stop by the shop and check on my truck. And maybe sneak a peek at Jasons project. :lol: :shock:

[partsjockey]

Hey just saw these for sale on Kentucky Krawlers, looks like a deal, I didnt know whether you had decied on what to run yet.

http://www.kentuckykrawlers.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=3068

A set of 44's offset in the back, pass drop up front.

[hammerhead06]

here's a few progress pics
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000385.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000379.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000382.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000384.jpg

[TiredIronGRB]

That is going to be awesome ;-)

[hammerhead06]

going for a camel trophy-ish paint scheme

[pplblazerdude]

Looking good Looking good. What size tires you going to run? Still going to run those 35's?

[pplblazerdude]

going for a camel trophy-ish paint scheme They are more of a yellow color.

[hammerhead06]

35in cooper discoverer st's

[hammerhead06]

going for a camel trophy-ish paint scheme They are more of a yellow color.

ISH

[NC_James]

going for a camel trophy-ish paint scheme They are more of a yellow color.

ISH :lol:

[Hokie_YJ]

This thing is gonna be sick!

[pplblazerdude]

going for a camel trophy-ish paint scheme They are more of a yellow color.

ISH Got you.

[HotRodYJ]

Can't wait to see that thing finished, that's awesome!

You are so Blessed.

[hammerhead06]

I've been very blessed with all the help I am receiving on this build, been hitting it just about everyday and have had atleast 1 person with me the whole time, Thanks Guys

[Bluegill]

Way 8) Jason! Can't wait to see it in action

[Derrickalda]

hardcore

[Gordon]

Lookin' real good!

[Dino1967]

=D> very nice great job guys

[Want2Wheel]

That thing is awsome.

[EngineNine]

It's looking good!!! :smokin:

[zukinut]

Hey,

Give me a call. Would love to check it out. Have decided what you are gonna do for steering. I can give you some pointers on caster angle if you want. Im not sayin mine is the only way to go, but i know that everybody thats seen my zuk says it drives way better than theres. So maybe i did sumthin right.

Oh yea, what are u doing for suspension, yjs all around or ? How much are you stretching it?


Your rig looks nice, i personally prefer full bodied zuks but i do like your Would love to see it in person. Give me a call.

[Thumpszilla]

Glad to see you have a cage on this one :lol: Looking good man.

[hammerhead06]

more pics
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000389.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000392.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000393.jpg

[pplblazerdude]

Your rear shackle angle is not to good. I would work on trying to improve that if possible. The way it is now it looks like the spring will hit the frame when you flex any what so ever.

[TiredIronGRB]

I'm proud of you Jason, you have pulled it together and made a really cool little rig ;-)

[BroncoMike]

That thang is sick man!!!

You've done some awesome work there man! Keep it up!!!

[Gordon]

Lookin' great, man. :smokin:

[Jeep07]

Your rear shackle angle is not to good. I would work on trying to improve that if possible. The way it is now it looks like the spring will hit the frame when you flex any what so ever.


Yes i agree, that angle did look a little extreme. You could extend the frame a little or possibly move the front leaf connector up a few inches. Of coarse this will change drive shaft length etc. My Xterra could actually use a similar treatment because the rear shackles are at quite an angle as well.


Keep up the pace. moving right along.

[zukinut]

One more thing, are you tieing your seat mounts into the cage.

[r1ng3l78]

ok, time to disspell some myths about the sami. one, the frame was setup to run goofy's in the back. those shackles were just to get it rolling. two, there really isn't a body to speak of. the rockers were boatsided and the top part of the body was welded to the frame so the seats are tied into the cage. and the third and biggest is that it's not the sami we started with. about a week into it, jason happened across this chassis and it was cheap so we ripped the drivetrain out of first one and are working the kinks out of this one. there's a few things about the cage i don't personally like but it is a tube cage and since it's so light jason and i could carry the frame, body, and cage off the trailer, i think it'll hold up pretty well. but as of today, it feels like it's gonna flex like mad and we'll probably have to limit the front quite a bit just to keep the steering alive. it should be a mean little buggy and should make it hard for jason to break stuff (knock on wood). :wink:

[Dino1967]

i like it very nice :smokin:

[pplblazerdude]

kk good to hear that about the shackle. I knew that you wouldnt do something stupid like that but I still had to say something.

[hammerhead06]

did a little more tonight with the help of chaser

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000402.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000403.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000400.jpg

[Hokie_YJ]

Who's doing the cage work? Jarret? It's looking awesome, can't wait to see it. Stock WB or extended?

[hammerhead06]

Who's doing the cage work? Jarret? It's looking awesome, can't wait to see it. Stock WB or extended?

cage and frame was already done, we have done everything else, Jarett has done pretty much everything from the frame down

[Hokie_YJ]

Cool, is this beast gonnna make it to the M&G?

[TiredIronGRB]

Cool, is this beast gonnna make it to the M&G?

It's not big enough to be a Beast, I would call it a Badger... small, mean, and quick :wink:

[NC_James]

I hope to see it there!

[hammerhead06]

i think the only way it will make it to the meet and greet is if I pull it there, It's hard to build a truck in 3 weeks :shock:

[BillM]

Jason, do you still need those springs I have or are you set now?

[hammerhead06]

i got it covered now, thanks though bill, appreciate it anyways

[zukinut]

Did you stretch the wheelbase. It looks as tho you did but not sure. 35s love to eat firewall if the front doesnt get pushed forward. Maybe yall figured sumthin else out tho.

[hammerhead06]

made some good progress today, Jarret almost has the power steering pump bracket done, got the majority of the interior done, did a little more electrical work, fitted the new grill, and did a little more paint work on the doors.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000493.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000490.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000488.jpg
and here's a few pics of the t-case and tranny access hatch

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000474.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000475.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000477.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000478.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000480.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g290/hammerhead06/S5000483.jpg

[duke_lover_13]

looks good!!!

[TiredIronGRB]

Very cool ;-)

[pplblazerdude]

Now just turn that bad boy into a ejection seat.

[Monstero]

Now just turn that bad boy into a ejection seat.

Yup put an air cylinder on it and pfffffffftttt....... out they go if you dont like the co-pilot. :lol: :lol:

[Derrickalda]

the grill is interesting

[hammerhead06]

Thats the Bling Factor

[hammerhead06]

Did you stretch the wheelbase. It looks as tho you did but not sure. 35s love to eat firewall if the front doesnt get pushed forward. Maybe yall figured sumthin else out tho.

wheel base has been stretched 10in to make a grand total of 90in

[HotRodYJ]

I really like it, right down to the Nintindo steering wheel. Just don't get mixed up and hook the left side button to the drivers side ejection seat.

You guys do good work. Can't wait to see this thing in person on the trail.

[Jazzman31]

I guess that I probaly need to start getting ready to squat this thing. And Jason you defiently do not need a winch, just give me a call I will pull it out or over whatever you need.

[chaser]

u really gonna try huh? ##( ##( ##(

[Jazzman31]

Try is not the word, Do is more like it.

[Bluegill]

"Do - or do not; there is no 'try'" - Jedi Master Yoda
:wink:

[r1ng3l78]

i used to "do" a lot. could outsquat my high schools whole defensive line. grabbed a 680 lb. piece of ductle iron pipe one day and something went pop. can't do it anymore http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Feelings/Doh3.gif the moral; just cuz you can, don't mean you should :wink: and oh yeah, http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Banners/Off-Topic2.gif

[Monstero]

i used to "do" a lot. could outsquat my high schools whole defensive line. grabbed a 680 lb. piece of ductle iron pipe one day and something went pop. can't do it anymore http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Feelings/Doh3.gif the moral; just cuz you can, don't mean you should :wink: and oh yeah, http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Banners/Off-Topic2.gif


Too true

[Jazzman31]

Oh you don't have to tell me that, I want to do it as part of my workout routine. I will have to rest a day ahead, and I just will not come in cold and try to squat it, I will have to do a series of warm up first.

[zukinut]

So is it done, is it ready to wheel?

Im at 89" wb. Wish i was about at about 100.

Let me know.

[hammerhead06]

ordering more parts today.....not done yet

[r1ng3l78]

btt