Crazy idea

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

With all these public parks becoming more of a hassel to drive on (enviromental issues) I was driving around the county doing my erosion control thing and notice that my county has a few mountains in it and large enough valley to make a good park. It is all country land and noticed that someone bought 22 acres for around $23,000. Just wanted to ask yall do you think something like this would be worth while for me to look into to invest in. I just wonder if there will be enough people to come in and out to keep it going. i know paying for taxes and maintence on the trail will be costly.

I was thinking in the valley areas some mud pit solum type stuff. Also a base area for repairs and camping. I was thinking of build a decent size shop to repair broke stuff on the trail and a cooking area and what not. Then through the mountain area will have the stock, mildly moddified, moddified, and extremely modified trails. With a few cut roads to get quick access to pull off busted rigs to not slow down others. With me being the erosion control guy, the enviromental stuff wil not be a problem and I doubt the neighbors will be a problem either.

was thinking of kinda keeping it open for everyone at least at 1st. and have payment for the pass like ure does, but when you pay for the pass and have it on the vehicle that would be a legal agreement so that they can not sue for any injury or damage. I got some good legal friends and do not mind having other to help to have it set up. I do not want to lease though I want it to be an ownership like a business, and it would double as a conservation place to to prevent people building cookie cutter neighborhoods in the nice area. I thought about for clean up and maintence host some events and get local or regional 4x4 group to come have fun and fix up the trails and areas. I want to be able to design stuff for the little vehicle up to our size and hummer size that can go through them, and even little stockies to poke along and go to the tops and have nice views. Who know put a lodge on top and have that set up. just ideas.

Oh yeah it would not be to far off HWY 115 above Love Valley. You can google the are to see what I am talking about.

[Gubni]

It's not crazy, but I'm not sure you'd make money at it if you had to finance it. The good thing is that it would always be worth at least what you paid for it.

[Bluegill]

It's not crazy, but I'm not sure you'd make money at it if you had to finance it. The good thing is that it would always be worth at least what you paid for it.

x2

Something like that is one of my dreams - but only if I win the lottery to finance it with. Another thing to consider is the local zoning commision. Although used for recreation, it would more than likely be defined as commercial zoning if riders are charged a fee to use it.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

Thats the cool thing about my job. I work in the planning department. I can get all the help with the zoning part, and I am erosion control so do not have to worry about enviromental issues. Just have to worry about finacial part.

[Rtaylor]

We had a local off-road park here many years ago that closed down because of the insurance cost. Apparently the no liability statment is not worth the paper it is written on. State parks are not treated the same way as private enterprises.

If the insurance is not a problem, go for it!

[Want2Wheel]

There is mony in the park and rec system that will help you. Get hold of a guy that is in the southern 4 wheel drive association. They have the info and can send you the right way.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

I might set up the whole project like a LLC so if someone sues I just bankrupt that company and reopen under another name, but I know I can get enough legal stuff set up so I will not be responsable for anything. I do not want to be that closed minded, but I have seen to many people try to scam the system with injury that basically adds up to common sense. But that is a good point you have there. I am still working on the idea. For one thing I have no money for it as of now. Plus I am waiting for one of the zoning guys to get back from his honeymoon to get zoning figured out.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

I just want to set up a place where people are in nature and see the country and be apart of the terrain not smooth out the terrain to fit us.

[SamuraiGuyTN]

I love the sound of it. You could probably set it up like a club system. that opnly members can use. and part of the member ship is that if something happens, neither the club nor the park can be held accountable. then through in some yearly dues.

[tennbronco]

I have to say it sounds like a great idea and would love to see ya be able to do it. I hope that ya can get all the info ya need and get all the paperwork straight. Good luck.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

Like I said it is in the idea stage. I wanting to do around 200 acres. I want to put a small lodge on the top of 1 of the ridges. Basically. I want to be at home and watch people go 4 wheeling and help when needed and have people to be able to relax and get away, but not to be to far away that they feel isolated. I did find 1 track of land, do not know how hilly it is. It is almost a million dollars for 113 acres with a small house and 5 acre pond. A bit high.

[Ray VanBuren]

Do it! We need more places in NC to wheel.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

Just thinking if the public parks like Tellico and URE close up shop. How many parks are there for people in the TN, VA, SC, and NC area. I think it is funny I am thinking of a park not to far from to major interstates, and the county moto is "Crossroads to the future" Got some other questions for yall.
How long is a good length for a trail? .5 mi, 1 mi, 4 mi, etc...
What do you not like when you are on the trails?
What designs would you do if you could design a park?
I have good ideas for the overall park, but idividual trail, I hav enot put much thought. I know I want to put turn out areas for when people are coming at each other on the trail. I know someone breaking down in the way, slows up everyone from enjoying the trail. Thats why I am wanting to run access roads every so often to be able to get to people for repair or emergency. Thats all I have for now. Have a good day.

[Dino1967]

probable sold by now
was a very nice piece of property in hawkins county
road for a while on several trails there was plenty of places to make many trails
http://www.4x4grace.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-789

[BroncoMike]

probable sold by now
was a very nice piece of property in hawkins county
road for a while on several trails there was plenty of places to make many trails
http://www.4x4grace.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?pos=-789

4 miles of lake front I'd say that piece of property went for quite a bit of change!! :shock:

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

Nice suggestion. Looks nice, but a bit far for me. I thinking of a park I can maintain and still keep my job.

[Adurbin]

The only thing that you have to keep in mind (besides the denero$$$ factor) is that just because someone signs a waiver or agrees to "zero liability", it wont stand in court if something were to come about. Nowadays, anyone can sue anyone for anything, and be able to win.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

I know. i hate that crap. it boils down to people not wanting to responsiblity for their actions. I saw a thing this morning on the news talking about this group of people wanting stuff done by atv makers to safe guard stuff more. I listen to this socoor mom saying I had no idea they could go so fast and tip over. and because of her ignorance her son died and then wants to blame the maker of the atv. Then the news guy says deaths have gone up 24%, well Duh there is more atv out now than then. Those atv have more warning labels on it than most industiral equipment. I will figure out a way to get out being at the end of a law suit, because I feel it is ignorent to sue a trail. because of these reasons.
1. I did not them to take the trail.
2. If they have improper vehicle for the trail am I to regulate that.
3. Everyone knows the risk of getting hurt before going offroad.
( I do not mind setting up a class around the camp site to let people know potential dangers before they hit the trail)
4. For the most part it is natural. What are they sueing mother nature.

I appericaie yall concern. I just want to give people real freedom, but a place that they need to have better judgement over their actions. I do not want to tell people how to drive and where to drive. I wis people would take responsiblity for their own actions and not put their mistake onto others to fix.

[Adurbin]

I know. i hate that crap. it boils down to people not wanting to responsiblity for their actions. I saw a thing this morning on the news talking about this group of people wanting stuff done by atv makers to safe guard stuff more. I listen to this socoor mom saying I had no idea they could go so fast and tip over. and because of her ignorance her son died and then wants to blame the maker of the atv. Then the news guy says deaths have gone up 24%, well Duh there is more atv out now than then. Those atv have more warning labels on it than most industiral equipment. I will figure out a way to get out being at the end of a law suit, because I feel it is ignorent to sue a trail. because of these reasons.
1. I did not them to take the trail.
2. If they have improper vehicle for the trail am I to regulate that.
3. Everyone knows the risk of getting hurt before going offroad.
( I do not mind setting up a class around the camp site to let people know potential dangers before they hit the trail)
4. For the most part it is natural. What are they sueing mother nature.

I appericaie yall concern. I just want to give people real freedom, but a place that they need to have better judgement over their actions. I do not want to tell people how to drive and where to drive. I wis people would take responsiblity for their own actions and not put their mistake onto others to fix.

OH, If you decide to build it, I will help, and then ride it with the skinny pedal on the floor, and if I hit a tree, you wont be sued. lol

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

:grin: Thanks. Thats one with self-responsiblity. I just need about a suport base of about 5000 people to make it work.

[Ray VanBuren]

I'm in. BTW, to protect yourself personally, Have the park incorporated.

[Adurbin]

:grin: Thanks. Thats one with self-responsiblity. I just need about a suport base of about 5000 people to make it work.

Nope, only 4999, you have (1) here.

[R.E.C.O.N.45]

yea but this like the dalmation 5000 is not enough 5001 is just right :grin: